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hey everybody welcome to our new show and uh\h
we had a really big week a couple of weeks\h\h

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ago when we interviewed luella zondo here on\h
the same day as those uh hearings that took\h\h

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place in washington dc got the biggest amount of\h
numbers on everything that you could ever ask for\h\h

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which proves i guess that lou elizondo is a very\h
popular guy when he goes on something like this\h\h

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but also he's a controversial guy all i can say\h
is that there were more of you joining us uh\h\h

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on our youtube video and also in our podcast\h
downloads than ever before in this show's history\h\h

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so we assume that there's some new people watching\h
and listening today we want to welcome you to the\h\h

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family we want to encourage you to spread the\h
news and we're very happy to have you here it's\h\h

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been uh it's been very gratifying to see that this\h
uh need to know podcast is taking off and reaching\h\h

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more people and i want to bring in my co-host ross\h
colthardt here from australia and welcome you back\h\h

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to the show as well ross thanks for being here\h
let's get going i i think this week we're going\h\h

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to look at an estimate of the situation which is\h
a homage back way back to 1948 when there was in\h\h

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fact done inside the u.s defense department what\h
was called an estimate of the situation created by\h\h

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project sign and essentially it assessed some very\h
dramatic things that we'll get to but basically it\h\h

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looked at the issue of what do we know about this\h
phenomenon and it essentially concluded didn't it\h\h

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bryce that that extraterrestrials were making\h
a full-scale observation of the earth but that\h\h

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attack did not seem imminent well that's exactly\h
i mean that's exactly what it declared i just want\h\h

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to set the stage because this is so important uh\h
the current department of defense doesn't like\h\h

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to talk about history doesn't like to talk about\h
the things that happened before but we do because\h\h

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we think people should be held accountable for\h
what what's gone on in the past so just to orient\h\h

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everyone to what ross was talking about 1948 uh a\h
defense department study initiated through the air\h\h

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force uh put out what they were asked to come up\h
with the estimate of the situation in other words\h\h

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you guys go look into the ufo situation get back\h
to us and tell us what you think is going on and\h\h

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so the people who were tasked with doing that\h
inside the department of defense uh came up\h\h

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with the conclusion that ross just uh stated\h
which is they thought the situation was ufos\h\h

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and the estimate was they were interplanetary\h
now here's what gets interesting about that\h\h

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that as reports do that one kind of made it\h
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to the the chief of staff of the air force a\h
general hoyt vandenberg and interestingly enough\h\h

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vandenberg not only rejected it but he ordered\h
that all copies of it be burned now how do there\h\h

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are there's no surviving copies are there\h
of the estimated well supposedly not i mean\h\h

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that would to me be like the holy grail of all\h
things if that could be found but we know it\h\h

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exists we know they don't exist because ruppelt\h
who ran project blue book a guy we talked about\h\h

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in a previous episode he's the guy that said uh\h
he said in his book that it existed that he had\h\h

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laid eyes on it he mentioned uh someone else\h
air force major dewey fournette who had seen\h\h

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it and who also said that he had seen it and\h
read it and that's what its conclusions were\h\h

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so i think we have to take these gentlemen at\h
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a couple of weeks on from the 17th of may uap\h
hearing the first hearing on ufos uaps in 54 years\h\h

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over half a century and we thought we'd be a\h
bit cheeky we'd basically do our own estimate\h\h

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of the situation because clearly the defense\h
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but we got a bit of an idea didn't we bryce from\h
what they think in the uap hearing and i think we\h\h

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should start this estimate by looking at the uap\h
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going on because the whole idea of this show is\h
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history but also about what's currently happening\h
so my gut reaction my friend from the uap hearing\h\h

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we were pretty merciless about it when we first\h
did a story about it a couple of weeks back but\h\h

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my resolve has hardened i think that what\h
moultrie ron moultrie and scott bray two very\h\h

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senior intelligence officials from the pentagon\h
were doing in that uap hearing was a significant\h\h

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walk back from even the findings made by the uap\h
task force report on the 25th of june last year\h\h

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do you agree well i think it was their attempt at\h
a significant walk back whether it turns into the\h\h

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walk back that they get away with uh remains to\h
be seen interestingly enough uh folks we did our\h\h

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one of our little need to know polls and we got\h
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and we asked people uh it now that they had a\h
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or the hearing the one day hearing uh what\h
was their take on it and the four choices were\h\h

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disappointing encouraging not sure and irrelevant\h
and i was surprised by this 40 percent said it was\h\h

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disappointing that didn't just you know make me\h
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heat found it encouraging so i i think that the\h
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and uh we hope to weigh in today a little more\h
on it because i ross you are correct it was\h\h

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disappointing to us to me it certainly was and\h
yet at the same time this is i guess i don't know\h\h

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i can be disappointed and encouraged at the same\h
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that day and i am simultaneously a little bit\h
encouraged that it's not going to end there but\h\h

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as i say others may disagree you may disagree\h
now look one of the things that i think we should\h\h

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preface all of what came in the uap hearing with\h
was that dni the director of national intelligence\h\h

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avril haynes late last year made a statement\h
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for what's going on here is what she\h
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now i think that was a very important red\h
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term yet but for the first time a very senior\h
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serving intelligence official was pointing to the\h
possibility of extra terrestriality and i think\h\h

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mate the the glaring omission in the hearing from\h
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was that neither ron moultrie the under secretary\h
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bray the deputy director of naval intelligence\h
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of extra terrestriality in fact ross i should say\h
the reason they probably didn't talk about that is\h\h

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they couldn't pronounce it any more than i could\h
and i don't even know if you go to the dictionary\h\h

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if it's a word but i will say this they\h
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and the other and the folks they take uh you\h
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business because not only did avril haynes suggest\h
that we had to keep open that possibility but uh\h\h

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former cia directors clapper and brennan have both\h
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leave it quite clear that they're thinking about\h
the very same thing so it was uh extremely odd\h\h

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to have people at the very top saying\h
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to a really mind-blowing conclusion while at the\h
same time they send these two i don't want to\h\h

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call them lackeys because lackeys usually implies\h
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level but they were clearly not there to have a\h
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were not there for that now i want to work through\h
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i think there has been a walk back from the uap\h
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what's happening here is that the congress\h
is being set up for a bit of a snow job by\h\h

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the defense department and frankly if they\h
think they're going to get away with that it\h\h

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ain't going to happen so scott bray acknowledged\h
that if and when uap incidents are resolved they\h\h

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likely fall into five explainable categories\h
airborne clutter natural atmospheric phenomena\h\h

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us government or u.s industry developmental\h
programs foreign adversary systems or what the uap\h\h

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task force called other which is what scott bray\h
calls another bin that allows for a holding bin\h\h

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of difficult cases and for the possibility of\h
surprise and potential scientific discovery\h\h

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now the bare in the room behind that category is\h
the possibility that what we're talking about here\h\h

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is some kind of non-human intelligence what they\h
going back to the june 25th 2021 report they did\h\h

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call it a catch-all other ben which i just found\h
to be one of the greatest lines in ufo history\h\h

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and if i have a book on ufo history i ever\h
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the pesky catch-all other ben because clearly uh\h
if if things were as normal as these guys tried\h\h

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to make it sound then you wouldn't need a bin to\h
throw all these other things in that didn't fit\h\h

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and yet that's exactly what they've done now\h
you uh have been doing some reading on all\h\h

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of this ross and it seems to me that you're saying\h
they're either trying they're trying it sounds\h\h

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like to walk back even the other ben category\h
slightly well i mean i'm probably jumping ahead\h\h

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a little bit here but one of the things that i\h
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uh representative krishnamoorthy asked about\h
wreckage and that was the that's the smoking gun\h\h

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question how about wreckage you know this is the\h
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in area 51 or a cave somewhere in the nevada teft\h
range there's a there's a flying saucer jacked up\h\h

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on blocks and they've been hiding it for 70 years\h
and so krishnamurthy to his credit asks how about\h\h

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wreckage have we come across any wreckage of any\h
kind of object that has now been examined by you\h\h

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and scott bray from the navy says\h
the uap task force doesn't have any\h\h

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wreckage that isn't explainable that isn't\h
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now okay that's interesting because one what\h
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i was going to say ross if we're going to\h
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on so many different levels because again\h
the uap task force predated what supposedly\h\h

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is now the airborne object identification\h
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it seems like a dodge to me because they did\h
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which supposedly has been subsumed into it and\h
also i don't think anybody has ever actually\h\h

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stated that they think the uap task force\h
is in charge of crash wreckage if we look\h\h

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at the historical record of crash wreckage it\h
goes back to the 40s and the 50s and the 60s\h\h

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none of that would be true it would have been in\h
the defense department working with their private\h\h

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enterprise allies you see i like to think\h
the best of our public officials bryce but\h\h

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in my book that was an evasion by scott and\h
this is my problem with the representatives\h\h

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who weren't well informed weren't well briefed\h
and weren't ready to hit with follow-up questions\h\h

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because the follow-up question to mr bray should\h
have been sir i didn't ask you about what the\h\h

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non-existent non-non-existent uap task force\h
found about wreckage or whether it has wreckage\h\h

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your question limited itself to the answer that\h
the uap task force doesn't have any wreckage\h\h

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that isn't explainable that isn't consistent with\h
terrestrial origin what the representative should\h\h

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have hit him with i mean this is the smoking gun\h
question for rob for heaven's sake you know yeah\h\h

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you've even got officials like louis lozando\h
asserting that he believes that the united\h\h

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states government is in possession of anomalous\h
technology stuff that isn't possibly not human\h\h

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he said it he said it on multiple national\h
interviews not just podcasts he said it on\h\h

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big mainstream shows and he's not the only guy\h
saying it and a lot of people are intimating it\h\h

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so it does seem like the representative kind of\h
missed an opportunity to say well thank you very\h\h

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much for that answer but let me go a little bit\h
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issue was so many times we strayed to the very\h
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we're talking about aliens but we're embarrassed\h
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but fundamentally at the heart of all of this\h
what we are talking about is the possibility of\h\h

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non-human intelligence or a non-human technology\h
of some kind that is now being detected\h\h

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in our atmosphere and so the glaring bear in\h
the room if you like was that consistently\h\h

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the answers from the two witnesses\h
acknowledged that there is something\h\h

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here that they can't explain and he\h
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our effort will involve the thorough this is\h
moultrie ronald moultrie the um under secretary of\h\h

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defense for intelligence and security the highest\h
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our effort with aoimsg impossibly named acronym\h
will include the thorough examination of\h\h

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adversarial platforms and potential breakthrough\h
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allied or partner systems and other natural\h
phenomenon nowhere in there was there a\h\h

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concession that overtly states okay we're looking\h
at the possibility that this is extraterrestrial\h\h

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now that to me is why i think this is a walk back\h
because avril haynes stipulated that one possible\h\h

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plausible explanation that required examination\h
was the ridiculously stated extraterrestriality\h\h

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she was referring to extraterrestrial life you\h
know i'll give you a more plain spoken word that\h\h

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they did seem to be using to to walk things back\h
and it wasn't extraterrestriality or anything\h\h

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else unpronounceable it was drone all right\h
what i found that they did over and over and\h\h

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i believe you feel the same way if they tried\h
to make it sound like well you know this really\h\h

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could just be drones well i don't think drones\h
work quite the same way that a lot of these\h\h

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sighting reports lay it out but i know that's\h
a particular bone of contention for yourself\h\h

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and i'd love to hear what your thoughts are oh\h
boy i've got a lot to say about drones bryce\h\h

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and i think we should get into that in the\h
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and when we finished off last time we were talking\h
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both ronald moultrie who's the former actually the\h
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and scott bray another top intelligence official\h
they both started using the word drone didn't\h\h

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they rise to describe the phenomena that are now\h
being seen in the sky well and it feels a little\h\h

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dishonest doesn't it because i mean i don't think\h
anybody uh in this business i'm certainly not\h\h

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you're not drones are a big deal i mean there\h
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um do we fly our own drones uh harassing our own\h
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well where this came in where this came\h
in was when the chairman of the committee\h\h

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mr schiff he basically put the hypothesis\h
to mr bray that these are commercial drones\h\h

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and it was because mr bray had shown a video of\h
a very underwhelming blurry object zooming past\h\h

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a jet cockpit and then there was another video\h
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that was shot on night vision above a navy ship an\h
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these were designed to completely underwhelm\h
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i suggest possibly the least interesting videos\h
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that i have no doubt the defense department\h
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was the essence of uh our conversation with lou\h
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he has seen things that vastly exceed what uh was\h
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people claim the same christopher mellon and so\h
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so you know had either of those two witnesses uh\h
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they they would have done it and they would have\h
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their motivation was for sure right so scott bray\h
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he presented this video the night vision of a\h
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unnamed u.s navy vessel he then asserted they were\h
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were unmanned aerial systems in the area and\h
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some type of drone some type of unmanned aerial\h
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were looking at was essentially a bouquet effect\h
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slr camera lens to create a pyramid triangular\h
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plausible explanation for that particular imagery\h
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the public we're being led astray because\h
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for an understanding of what was being\h
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this is where i think the the committee were\h
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there's a huge issue with this drone\h
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the incidents that we're talking about\h
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online magazine way back in may 2021 and they\h
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there were multiple drone swarms seen over\h
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it included the uss kidd the u.s navy destroyers\h
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and the paul hamilton so there was quite a number\h
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me bryce is that when you look at what the drive\h
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by the crew there's at least one reference to\h
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and that's taken from the ship's log that doesn't\h
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commercial drone which frankly is the impression\h
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witnesses wanted the audience the congressman and\h
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that i feel a little more maybe optimistic that\h
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you might ross is that we i think we can pivot the\h
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we already know that there are objects out there\h
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been well reported and talked about and obviously\h
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show now i think they're going to be senate and\h
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might easily focus in on is okay you have invoked\h
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what we'd like to know is what are the flight\h
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to know how that would explain some of these cases\h
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that were talked about in the drive these are wild\h
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really impressive to to start to figure out\h
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be doing those things let alone why they\h
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then finally i guess the question about drones\h
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the department of defense you're trying to make\h
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who you think is behind these drones certainly the\h
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not doing your job because your job is to keep us\h
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and that's where i started screaming at the screen\h
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there meekly letting these two defense department\h
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don't worry about this this is just commercial\h
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incredible bryce is that the incident that sourced\h
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three years ago three years ago and it's quite\h
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in the pentagon still have no bloody idea what\h
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the u.s navy fleet off the coast of california\h
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department of defense who have more than a bloody\h
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congress absolutely and that's the issue so\h
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into because this drone explanation really needs\h
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are going to be asking further questions they need\h
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know i've one of the um one of the explanations\h
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drones and i've i know most drones really can\h
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itself the minimum encounter that the drive noted\h
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supposedly hovering over u.s navy vessels far\h
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and what the drive report very very credibly\h
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other ships that were in the area at the\h
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drones against these american navy vessels it\h
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could have been the passing cruise ship i think\h
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or a cargo vessel the algawita they did a thorough\h
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representatives shouldn't have allowed themselves\h
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and and the the simple fact is the\h
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commercially available drones are not commonly\h
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great distances with speeds in excess of 45 miles\h
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100 nautical miles in the july 14th incident\h
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a destroyer traveling at 16 knots in conditions\h
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the operators seem to have coordinated at least\h
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all that much more puzzling it's just ridiculous\h
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explanation and not only that i think we have\h
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here's what i mean uh we know when it comes to\h
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world that are exhibiting characteristics that\h
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could easily be our own technology or russia\h
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yes but in the 1940s and 50s would that have\h
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right if people want to now ascribe some of these\h
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folks the navy's been reporting things going on\h
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with these incredible drones back then i don't\h
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have to say anything that is going to be used to\h
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and it also has to explain the times when those\h
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former head of the pentagon's ufo investigation\h
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and even representative schiff picked up he's the\h
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that the original uaptf report acknowledged that\h
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exhibited flight characteristics that appeared\h
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appeared to remain stationary move against\h
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at considerable speed without discernible means\h
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because scott bray from navy intelligence\h
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no foreign adversary who was capable of moving\h
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and he also and this is something that i think\h
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there is some degree of something that looks\h
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right he seems to be suggesting that these\h
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with the impression they are are some kind of\h
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themselves so now we've got drones capable\h
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the way i just you know from time to time we like\h
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but you can't fool all the people all the\h
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great quote and bob marley did put it in his\h
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our 16th president who said you can fool all the\h
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all the time but you can't fool all the people\h
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hearings that we're about to have uh there will\h
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a fire out there we're still going to see it\h
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specifics you're taking your own words and you're\h
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hearing where senator kirsten gillibrand is in\h
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hearings she's a i believe a former prosecutor\h
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did in this last hearing where somebody tosses\h
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i'd like to know and i think that's where\h
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a they're going to get better witnesses in\h
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to what the witnesses proffer as their answers and\h
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completely agree with you and i'm conscious that\h
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i just think we need to put a stake through\h
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it's implausible it was a huge security breach\h
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supposedly some kind of unmanned aerial vehicle\h
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log books they're describing a large white light\h
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mislead and deceive um there's also some kind of\h
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i mean you still got three years on in what seems\h
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some power some adversary some intelligence\h
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interfering with the operations of a naval task\h
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spooking the us navy in its own training area\h
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jeremy corbell who's i think quite creditably\h\h

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that the pentagon should still release the other\h
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radar data thermal imagery and deck footage he\h
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the green night vision goggle footage and frankly\h
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and he also challenged the dod on why it still\h
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uaps or whatever the vehicles were he says\h
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extending this argument is going to be the\h
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uh most of the people who are listening or are\h
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of those three navy videos that were released back\h
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why not tell us why not show everything and and\h
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not give us all the radar without all the data on\h
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final segment jeremy corbell also said\h
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have been leaked to him from inside the defense\h
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if and only if the sources were given an immunity\h
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so coming into segment three bryce this is our\h
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taking the issue seriously or are these show\h
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and ask real questions well you and i may disagree\h
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witnesses at the may 17th hearing said i don't\h
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things that were just shocking that they would\h
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know what we're going to try to do the department\h
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know anything about history we're going to school\h
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well we're back and and we want to go back to\h
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feels like we're beating a dead horse but it's\h
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congressional hearing in 54 years when it occurred\h
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mike gallagher literally tried to hold um scott\h
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that these uap that he's supposed to be reporting\h
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near uh nuclear power and nuclear weapons sites\h
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know something about primarily because they've\h
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they knew they were coming in and to talk\h
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that the committee members were going to be\h
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they'd prepared for this i presume that they'd had\h
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basically taken prepared questions and surely\h
to heavens the most important question of all\h\h

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the issue that's probably the biggest national\h
security issue for the united states is that\h\h

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its strategic nuclear deterrence has clearly for\h
the last 75 years been a subject of interest for\h\h

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the objects let's make that specific the one of\h
the things that he said he didn't really know\h\h

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anything about was the malmstrom air force base uh\h
uh incident and i think we should probably explain\h\h

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it to him but i'll you do a better job because you\h
just wrote about it more recently in that great\h\h

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book of yours in plain sight so why don't you uh\h
for the benefit of the dod just in case uh mr bray\h\h

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or mr moultrie happen to be listening in and\h
they're still not really sure about what happened\h\h

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at malmstrom i think you should tell them okay\h
well the multiroom's just a tip of an iceberg\h\h

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there are multiple incidents and my friend and\h
colleague robert hastings whose fantastic book\h\h

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ufos and nukes has told this very very well he's\h
investigated icbm sites all over the united states\h\h

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and he's interviewed people who've crew those\h
icbm sites the places where intercontinental\h\h

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ballistic nuclear missiles are stored and made\h
ready for god god forbid the event of nuclear\h\h

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war and one of the people i interviewed was a guy\h
called bob salas who was at malmstrom in um mum's\h\h

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room or malmo i've forgotten but anyway he was at\h
one of the icbm bases in the 1970s when literally\h\h

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all 10 of the nuclear missiles in his silo in his\h
evidence went offline one by one as a gigantic\h\h

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red uap object hovered overhead and the\h
interesting thing is there's just no there's no\h\h

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acknowledgement from either of these two witnesses\h
moultrie and bray fame ignorance of you're making\h\h

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a bit of uh mike noise there bryce um sorry\h
m moultrie and bray feigned ignorance of what\h\h

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frankly i think is an extraordinarily significant\h
event and if you read the uk condyne report\h\h

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the uk condyne report which frankly any competent\h
invest in intelligence official should be across\h\h

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it acknowledged 25 30 years ago the british\h
government had spoken to russian commanders\h\h

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namely a guy called colonel boris sokolov\h
who acknowledged at the end of the cold war\h\h

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at a time when the russians were talking to\h
us that the russians had actually incidents\h\h

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where their nuclear missiles were wound up they\h
were literally one button press away from launch\h\h

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so whatever the phenomenon is it's demonstrated\h
an ability to middle with nuclear weapons the\h\h

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most dangerous weapons on the planet that's why\h
this matters and for two intelligence officials\h\h

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to make the specious assertion that they had no\h
knowledge of that kind of incident frankly is\h\h

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where i started to think that we were being snowed\h
it was a snow job i just you know you brought it\h\h

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up i just want people to know about this book\h
it's a great book ufos and nukes extraordinary\h\h

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encounters at nuclear weapon sites by robert\h
hastings i've been reading it again over the\h\h

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past few days i mean that's a lot of information\h
about nuclear weapon sites that have have come up\h\h

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and for them to pretend they knew nothing about it\h
another great book that talks about it is ufos and\h\h

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government a historical inquiry by michael swords\h
and robert powell this is another fantastic read\h\h

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and the point i'm making is not that i can hold\h
up books which anybody can do but that there is\h\h

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information that's already out there in the public\h
where researchers and and analysts and people like\h\h

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ross and myself can go get that information so\h
it's really ironic that the the military guys\h\h

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act like they've never heard of it or they they'll\h
oh i'll look into it uh it's already out there and\h\h

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you mentioned robert salas who is a great patriot\h
he is the the man who was in charge at moundstrom\h\h

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when this happened and by the way it wasn't just a\h
red light to the best of my reading in this latest\h\h

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thing they also saw structural craft all right i\h
i i saw a reference to a disc so these were people\h\h

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calling robert salas saying there's a disc out\h
here and then these 10 nukes go offline and and\h\h

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it isn't like this has been a hidden secret as\h
early as 2010 uh salus and a number of other uh\h\h

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military officials who i point out were were\h
trusted to watch over america's nuclear weapons\h\h

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weapons that if fired could end the world\h
because they would have created a counter-attack\h\h

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from the soviet union and yet they don't know\h
about these guys they held a news conference\h\h

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at um the national press club in washington dc and\h
they laid out their case they did it most recently\h\h

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just another year or so ago i believe and and\h
listen it isn't just the military and life is\h\h

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changing but on that 2010 one i remember reading\h
that the washington um post sent their re sent a\h\h

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reporter over to cover it but guess who they sent\h
they sent a lifestyle reporter who began his story\h\h

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about nuclear weapons being buzzed by ufos by\h
describing the chocolate chip cookies at the uh at\h\h

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the press club this is an overall problem ross\h
it isn't just the military the military is using\h\h

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this as a way to observate what's going on but\h
but it they've had um help from ourselves our own\h\h

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representatives in the media have been complicit\h
in sort of selling this narrative that oh hahaha\h\h

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it couldn't really be happening well it has\h
happened and you don't have to take our word for\h\h

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it the us military were the ones that wrote these\h
reports that are in these books i'm talking about\h\h

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exactly i mean indeed if you read robert hastings\h
book it cites foi documents that talk about these\h\h

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incidents so for two of the top officials in the\h
intelligence section of the department of defense\h\h

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to assert that they have no knowledge about\h
nuclear weapons being a subject of interest\h\h

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by these uaps including incidents where as the um\h
tv show that ttsa did unidentified they basically\h\h

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talked about objects firing beams down at for\h
example raph bent waters in the united kingdom\h\h

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there is clearly a technology a solid physical\h
technology craft vehicles of some kind\h\h

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hovering over u.s nuclear facilities where the\h
most dangerous weapons in the world are stored\h\h

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and they're taking an extremely close interest in\h
that weaponry and for two officials of the united\h\h

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states government to swear to a congressional\h
committee that they they didn't know about this\h\h

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that they're not briefed about this that's just\h
appalling it's the fact that they haven't been\h\h

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briefed about that as a disgrace now you know\h
to go wind this back to the hearing aspect of it\h\h

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i literally was just in conversation uh by uh\h
my internet today with robert salas and robert\h\h

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salas is getting prepared to do what to testify at\h
hearings but guess what not u.s hearings he's been\h\h

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invited to go to brazil and testify all right\h
and i think it's fantastic that he's doing that\h\h

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and i i have a high expectations for the\h
brazilians who seem to have taken this uh\h\h

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whole situation very seriously more seriously\h
at least publicly than the u s government has\h\h

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over the years and so uh my advice to anybody\h
would be uh you know robert salas is not only a\h\h

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patriot but he was a man of impeccable uh honesty\h
bring him into congress let him tell his story\h\h

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he's told it a thousand times but he's never been\h
allowed to tell it in front of the american people\h\h

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in a congressional hearing and i think it would\h
be an excellent way to start and and frankly i\h\h

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hope if they ever do uh pulled robert salas and\h
people like him in to testify i'd like to see\h\h

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moultrie and bray sitting in the front damn row\h
and and taking notes that's what i'd like to see\h\h

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so bryce where are we at with our estimate\h
of the situation what's your take on the\h\h

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phenomenon because frankly i'm very glum after\h
those uap hearings i do not detect a willingness\h\h

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an aggression by congressional representatives\h
and i do not detect a willingness to engage by\h\h

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top intelligence officials the the feeling\h
overwhelmingly that i take away from the first of\h\h

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the congressional hearings is a sense that we have\h
no cause to feel that there is going to be any\h\h

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full disclosure by the us government they're being\h
disingenuous at worst they're being deceitful\h\h

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and possibly you know to give them the\h
best possible explanation they were just\h\h

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very poorly briefed i mean for example one\h
of the other things they didn't talk about\h\h

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was the admiral wilson document absolutely i mean\h
okay so uh we talked about that on our last show\h\h

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how uh uh again it was uh gallagher um who who\h
basically put the the so-called wilson davis memo\h\h

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into the congressional record which is one of\h
the more radical things that's ever happened\h\h

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now i gotta tell you and i'm\h
in full disclosure for myself\h\h

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i had a hard time getting my brain wrapped around\h
the wilson davis documents for years i've had\h\h

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people try to explain it to me and i listen and\h
it seems to go in that side and come out the other\h\h

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and it wasn't until frankly russ that i read\h
in plain sight where i thought you did a very\h\h

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excellent job of explaining what it was all about\h
and so i think you should probably do your very\h\h

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excellent job one more time for people because\h
again this is something that these two guys\h\h

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who sat and testified claimed they knew absolutely\h
nothing about and uh yeah we'll uh maybe i'm just\h\h

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gonna have some fun here bryce it was like i think\h
ronald moultrie turned to scott brown went oh you\h\h

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know anything about the wilson brockman you know\h
anything about it no no no never heard about it\h\h

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so seriously this document this document purports\h
to be a record of uh notes taken by dr eric davis\h\h

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a very well respected astrophysicist who currently\h
works for aerospace corporation who at the time\h\h

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these notes were taken in 2002 was working for\h
robert bigelow the private space entrepreneur\h\h

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through his organization known as neds the\h
national institute of discovery science\h\h

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and somehow as of course in the course of his\h
research into the phenomenon eric davis managed\h\h

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to wangle a meeting with the immediate former\h
director of the defense intelligence agency a very\h\h

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big kahuna in the u.s defense department admiral\h
tom wilson now everything i'm about to say here\h\h

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didn't happen according to tom wilson\h
admiral tom wilson has said to me\h\h

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for the purposes of writing my book and he said\h
publicly to other journalists like billy cox and\h\h

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numerous other people who've approached him\h
he said this conversation didn't happen but\h\h

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the reason it matters is because notes of this\h
purported conversation emerged from the estate of\h\h

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edgar mitchell the former well-respected\h
highly regarded apollo 14 astronaut\h\h

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and when edgar mitchell died a few years ago i\h
think 2016 these notes were passed on to a person\h\h

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who saw their historical significance and made\h
sure they came out to the right people now i\h\h

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preface everything i say here by saying we cannot\h
rely on the admiral wilson notes but the reason\h\h

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they are significant is because if they are\h
authentic and some people suggest they might be\h\h

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and indeed the author of the notes allegedly has\h
conspicuously refused to deny their authenticity

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it's very important because those notes describe\h
essentially a crash retrieval program inside the\h\h

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us government the most incredible conspiracy\h
and as a friend of mine said to me over the\h\h

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weekend when we were talking about them he said\h
look ros i just don't believe them because they\h\h

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read like a movie script and they do they\h
read like a movie script you've got a private\h\h

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aerospace company that is caught by tom wilson\h
secretly concealing recovered alien technology\h\h

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in a private aerospace facility and it's been\h
hidden away by some kind of dark conspiracy\h\h

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inside the defense department and it's only known\h
by a few key people in the defence department but\h\h

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essentially the allegation is that sometime in the\h
late years of the cold war around the late 1980s\h\h

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we recovered a life form and they recovered\h
a craft and that that craft has been um where\h\h

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they discovered a life form and this is echoing\h
of course things that were told to tom delonge\h\h

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the wikileaks notes but essentially the\h
allegation is that there is a a craft well\h\h

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if we're inside private aerospace and if\h
they're true and again i think you did a\h\h

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good job of disclaiming that that they might not\h
be true but if but if they are they're explosive\h\h

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and one way to resolve it would be to drag those\h
people in front of congress and make them swear an\h\h

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oath to tell the whole truth and nothing but the\h
truth that's the point the easiest way to fix this\h\h

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is as you say so i do find it okay um there's two\h
issues there on those that we talked about that\h\h

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messengers uh moultrie and bray didn't actually\h
know anything about the first is absolutely\h\h

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inexcusable that is the connection between nuclear\h
weapons and uh the ufo issue that's inexcusable\h\h

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they've been all over it the wilson davis memo uh\h
i would think that they would have a knowledge of\h\h

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it but whether they you know give credence to it\h
or not uh you know listen it's it would be easy\h\h

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for them not to they could have dodged that bullet\h
i just want to answer your question because i know\h\h

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we're running out of time and you took a stab\h
at saying what you thought the estimate of the\h\h

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situation was and i would just like to say that's\h
a two-part answer that we're never going to get to\h\h

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in this particular episode despite calling it\h
the estimate of the situation part one is okay\h\h

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well what are we are we optimistic or pessimistic\h
in our estimate of what the congressional hearing\h\h

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situation is and then part two is well what do\h
we really think is going on these are very big\h\h

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different questions um i am not um pessimistic\h
i do share your frustration that we've been\h\h

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misled i think this horse is out of the barn uh my\h
assessment is i'm not saying it's going to be easy\h\h

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not saying we're not going to get our hair\h
must in this whole thing but i am saying that\h\h

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it's it's moving forward and uh these hearings\h
are going to continue there'll be other hearings\h\h

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and there'll be explosive things and just as\h
you know one example when we're talking about\h\h

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the polls i put one out the other day that said\h
imagine you wake up next week and someone somehow\h\h

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has leaked an extended hd video shot by the us\h
military of an obviously solid technological\h\h

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object that is clearly outside our current\h
capabilities what happens then nearly 2 000\h\h

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people voted on it it's interesting because this\h
goes to the source of your your sort of pessimism\h\h

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47 of our respondents said nothing will\h
change even with a giant hd video uh 34\h\h

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said everything will change the rest didn't\h
know or didn't care um i so i i i take your\h\h

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point ross it is possible that somebody could\h
literally dump the truth in front of people and\h\h

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they'd still go well i don't know i mean i don't\h
know whether to believe anybody anymore because\h\h

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that's the world we live in so yeah you might be\h
right there might be some good reason to believe\h\h

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we're not going to get to the bottom of it i don't\h
believe it i think we are i think it's coming i\h\h

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don't think it's happening before this election i\h
think it's happening uh in 2023 i'm going to leave\h\h

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our listeners and viewers with this document this\h
is the slide 9 document that i keep on coming back\h\h

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to in my estimate of the situation i think that\h
the conclusions that we're eventually going to\h\h

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reach about the phenomenon lie inside this advice\h
that was given to the under secretary for defence\h\h

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by members of the atip program and essentially\h
at the heart of it is the sense that what we're\h\h

494
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talking about here is something that is far\h
more complex than extraterrestrial phenomena\h\h

495
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a life from another planet essentially whatever\h
this is it's capable of psychotronic weaponry\h\h

496
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a cognitive human interface\h
penetration of solid surfaces\h\h

497
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:53,360
instantaneous sensor disassembly alteration\h
and manipulation of biological organisms\h\h

498
00:54:53,360 --> 00:55:00,240
anomalies in the space-time construct and\h
unique human cognitive interface experiences\h\h

499
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:06,320
whatever was considered phenomenon\h
in the past is now quantum physics\h\h

500
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i estimated the situation my estimate of the\h
situation is slide nine bryce yeah i don't i don't\h\h

501
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:21,280
think the best explanation is extraterrestrial and\h
that's what jacques villa has said all along and\h\h

502
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:28,160
i think part of the problem part of the reason why\h
the defense department is being evasive with us is\h\h

503
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they have no bloody idea what they're dealing\h
with and this is the advice the reason slide\h\h

504
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9 is so important is because this is the advice\h
that was given to the under secretary for defence\h\h

505
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by their own ufo investigators and i think this\h
document has been ignored by too many people\h\h

506
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:52,640
well you know ross roscoe i was ready\h
to go to the break and say goodnight\h\h

507
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:58,080
folks were out of here and then you had to\h
throw slide 9 on here and that slide 9 in\h\h

508
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:04,240
the fire has you know the whole thing is up okay\h
i do agree with you uh slide 9 which by the way\h\h

509
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we should go into in more detail in a future show\h
uh i do think that pulls the curtain back quite\h\h

510
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:17,680
widely to say there's more here than the simple\h
explanations but if i was going to put my estimate\h\h

511
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out there and again this is just my estimate uh\h
from doing the same thing you've been doing which\h\h

512
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:27,840
is reading thinking studying talking to people\h
um i think we're going to find out that they're\h\h

513
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:33,840
it's it's not a or b it's all of the\h
above so i do think slide 9 gives you\h\h

514
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:38,320
the peak behind the curtain is there an\h
extraterrestrial component when the truth\h\h

515
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:42,480
is known i'm going to say yes there's going\h
to be an extraterrestrial component to this\h\h

516
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:49,040
as well because all of that could still coexist\h
with the slide 9 stuff that you talked about so\h\h

517
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i guess we should get out of here well it's been\h
lovely talking to you all we'll be back next time\h\h